DOHA, Qatar – With one week left for the U.N. climate change talks to conclude, developed and developing countries remain at odds on how to solve the crisis being linked to the recent spate of extreme weather events that have claimed lives and destroyed property worth billions of dollar.
India has agreed to a take on legally binding obligations after 2020. But for the next eight years, New Delhi wants developed countries to honor their commitments under previous agreements including significantly bringing down their carbon dioxide emissions as well as providing finance and technology to developing countries. Emissions of carbon dioxide hit a record high in 2011, with decreases by developing countries more than offset by increases from China and India.
As discussions heat up here in Doha, India’s chief negotiator, Meera Mehrishi, spoke to India Ink on the contentious issues playing out in the halls of the mammoth Qatar National Convention Center, where delegates from 194 countries have gathered.
Hurricane Sandy, which hit the United States in late October, raised a global alarm about the consequences of climate change. Why don’t these talks reflect urgency for action?
After Hurricane Sandy, I thought the point of view of the Western world would change a little bit. I don’t see that happening. Climate change is becoming a reality because we are facing weather that we have never faced earlier across the world, be it a developed or developing country. And I think at conferences like this, we should have a positive outcome and not just keep postponing things till the next meeting.
A senior negotiator from the United States, Jonathan Pershing, said last week that talks in Doha must phase out obligations under older agreements. How do you react to that?
I know. But Jonathan Pershing, I find to be a very reasonable man. And yes, I heard that he had made this very strong comment earlier. But we have spoken to the American delegation and they are quite willing to sit down and talk about issues. At least, they are not completely throwing them out of the window. So let us see, while we keep the conversation going, what we are able to keep on the table.
What are India’s stakes at these talks?
Our country is being impacted by climate change. We have had freaky weather in India. The monsoons that used to come in July have started coming in September. The farmers are finding it difficult now because they continue to plant during what they perceive to be the monsoon season. We are losing our crop. It’s going to have huge repercussions on food security in the country. It’s going to take them time to adapt. And we don’t know what will happen after five to ten years. How often will farmers try to adapt? It will be very difficult.
Last week, you asked the developed world to take higher emission cuts. Can differences between developed and developing countries be resolved in this remaining week?
I think attempts are being made to bridge the divide. Though we are having formal meetings, but we are having a lot of informal consultations. Countries are meeting bilaterally. Very contentious issues are being discussed. And I think everyone is keen to see a Doha outcome.
I think European Union in a meeting mentioned that they were willing to raise their targets to 30 percent. There are some conditionalities that still have to be looked at. But there is a possibility of European Union raising their targets.
Could you elaborate on the contentious issues?
Well, one that is very contentious is the intellectual property rights-related issue. Developing countries have been pressing that technology gets transferred from developed to developing countries. We are hoping that developed countries transfer that technology without us having to pay the royalty. But that’s not working out because there are very rigid views from that side because the private sector is involved. The private sector has spent a lot on research and development and I guess they would like some return on it. But then without technology, it will be difficult for developing countries to meet their targets.
Any other particularly tough issue?
Unilateral measures are the other problem for us. Do not take decisions bilaterally that impact other countries. The EUETS [European Union Emissions Trading System] is an example. You [the European Union] impose a tax on civil aviation on airlines that are coming into the European Union. But you’re imposing taxes on flights through their own airspace — that is not European Union airspace. And it had to be discussed keeping the principles of the UNFCCC [United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change] in view. Now that was not done. It was just announced that we are imposing this tax. They have stopped the clock now and it will be discussed in ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization]. But we are hoping to see that the principles of the convention are kept in mind by the European Union. And we also want to see that no more unilateral actions are taken.
What about money? Is there any movement on mobilizing $100 billion by 2020?
We have set up institutions. We have a Green Climate Fund but how much money is going to come into that and from where … nobody is willing to make that commitment. That is a major problem for us.
On the finance problem, India and China are proud of their growth stories but they still want a slice of the funds. Does India really need this money?
But our growth story has stopped. The growth is now 5.5 percent. I won’t say that we are desperate for money but it is always welcome. And in these multilateral forums, we are part of the larger group, G77 + China, we all speak with one voice.
Speaking of groups, how united is the BASIC [Brazil, South Africa, India and China] group now? There have been rumors of divisions inside, especially South Africa having its own agenda.
I don’t think the rumors are true. Because as BASIC, we have been meeting regularly for the last one year. And there are a lot of commonalities among the four countries. Yes, South Africa may have its own agenda. We may have our own agenda. Discussions maybe a little strong sometimes but we come to a consensus. I don’t think the unity of BASIC is going to break. Not now at all.
What commonalities keep BASIC together?
All four countries are developing rapidly. Growth of all four countries has slowed down. We also know that post-2020 to take on any kind of targets, we need to allow our countries to develop now. To develop we need finance and technology … that is where we come together. The idea is that we have to have a good sort of life for people in our countries. China’s growth has slowed down. Brazil is doing very well. But Brazil again has pockets in their country that like us have to develop rapidly.
This interview has been lightly edited and condensed.
India Ink: A Conversation With: India's Chief Climate Change Negotiator
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